Cloud Security Podcast

Join your hosts, Anton Chuvakin and Timothy Peacock, as they talk with industry experts about some of the most interesting areas of cloud security. If you like having threat models questioned and a few bad puns, please tune in!

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Episode list

#169
April 22, 2024

EP169 Google Cloud Next 2024 Recap: Is Cloud an Island, So Much AI, Bots in SecOps

Guest:

29:29

Topics covered:

  • What are some of the fun security-related launches from Next 2024 (sorry for our brief “marketing hat” moment!)?
  • Any fun security vendors we spotted “in the clouds”?
  • OK, what are our favorite sessions? Our own, right? Anything else we had time to go to?
  • What are the new security ideas inspired by the event (you really want to listen to this part! Because “freatures”...)
  • Any tricky questions at the end?
#168
April 15, 2024

EP168 Beyond Regular LLMs: How SecLM Enhances Security and What Teams Can Do With It

Guests:

  • Umesh Shankar, Distinguished Engineer, Chief Technologist for Google Cloud Security
  • Scott Coull, Head of Data Science Research, Google Cloud Security
27:23

Topics covered:

  • What does it mean to “teach AI security”? How did we make SecLM? And also: why did we make SecLM?
  • What can “security trained LLM” do better vs regular LLM?
  • Does making it better at security make it worse at other things that we care about?
  • What can a security team do with it today?  What are the “starter use cases” for SecLM?
  • What has been the feedback so far in terms of impact - both from practitioners but also from team leaders?
  • Are we seeing the limits of LLMs for our use cases? Is the “LLM is not magic” finally dawning?
#167
April 8, 2024

EP167 Stolen Cards and Fake Accounts: Defending Google Cloud Against Abuse

Guest:

  • Maria Riaz, Cloud Counter-Abuse, Engineering Lead, Google Cloud
27:23

Topics covered:

  • What is “counter abuse”? Is this the same as security?
  • What does counter-abuse look like for GCP?
  • What are the popular abuse types we face? 
  • Do people use stolen cards to get accounts to then violate the terms with?
  • How do we deal with this, generally?
  • Beyond core technical skills, what are some of the relevant competencies for working in this space that would appeal to a diverse set of audience?
  • You have worked in academia and industry. What similarities or differences have you observed?
#166
April 1, 2024

EP166 Workload Identity, Zero Trust and SPIFFE (Also Turtles!)

Guests:

27:27

Topics covered:

  • Today we have IAM,  zero trust and security made easy. With that intro, could you give us the 30 second version of what a workload identity is and why people need them? 
  • What’s so spiffy about SPIFFE anyway? 
  • What’s different between this and micro segmentation of your network–why is one better or worse? 
  • You call your book “solving the bottom turtle” could you tell us what that means?
  • What are the challenges you’re seeing large organizations run into when adopting this approach at scale? 
  • Of all the things a CISO could prioritize, why should this one get added to the list? What makes this, which is so core to our internal security model–ripe for the outside world?
  • How people do it now, what gets thrown away when you deploy SPIFFE? Are there alternative?
  • SPIFFE is interesting, yet can a startup really “solve for the bottom turtle”? 
#165
March 25, 2024

EP165 Your Cloud Is Not a Pet - Decoding 'Shifting Left' for Cloud Security

Guest:

  • Ahmad Robinson,  Cloud Security Architect, Google Cloud
25:25

Topics covered:

  • You’ve done a BlackHat webinar where you discuss a Pets vs Cattle mentality when it comes to cloud operations. Can you explain this mentality and how it applies to security?
  • What in your past led you to these insights?  Tell us more about your background and your journey to Google.  How did that background contribute to your team?
  • One term that often comes up on the show and with our customers is 'shifting left.'  Could you explain what 'shifting left' means in the context of cloud security? What’s hard about shift left, and where do orgs get stuck too far right?
  • A lot of “cloud people” talk about IaC and PaC but the terms and the concepts are occasionally confusing to those new to cloud. Can you briefly explain Policy as Code  and its security implications? Does PaC help or hurt security?
#164
March 18, 2024

EP164 Quantum Computing: Understanding the (very serious) Threat and Post-Quantum Cryptography

Guest:

27:27

Topics covered:

  • Since one of us (!) doesn't have a PhD in quantum mechanics, could you explain what a quantum computer is and how do we know they are on a credible path towards being real threats to cryptography? How soon do we need to worry about this one?
  • We’ve heard that quantum computers are more of a threat to asymmetric/public key crypto than symmetric crypto. First off, why? And second, what does this difference mean for defenders?
  • Why (how) are we sure this is coming? Are we mitigating a threat that is perennially 10 years ahead and then vanishes due to some other broad technology change?
  • What is a post-quantum algorithm anyway? If we’re baking new key exchange crypto into our systems, how confident are we that we are going to be resistant to both quantum and traditional cryptanalysis? 
  • Why does NIST think it's time to be doing the PQC thing now? Where is the rest of the industry on this evolution?
  • How can a person tell the difference here between reality and snakeoil? I think Anton and I both responded to your initial email with a heavy dose of skepticism, and probably more skepticism than it deserved, so you get the rare on-air apology from both of us!
#163
March 11, 2024

EP163 Cloud Security Megatrends: Myths, Realities, Contentious Debates and Of Course AI

Guest:

  • Phil Venables, Vice President, Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) @ Google Cloud
29:29

Topics covered:

  • You had this epic 8 megatrends idea in 2021, where are we now with them?
  • We now have 9 of them, what made you add this particular one (AI)?
  • A lot of CISOs fear runaway AI. Hence good governance is key! What is your secret of success for AI governance? 
  • What questions are CISOs asking you about AI? What questions about AI should they be asking that they are not asking?
  • Which one of the megatrends is the most contentious based on your presenting them worldwide?
  • Is cloud really making the world of IT simpler (megatrend #6)?
  • Do most enterprise cloud users appreciate the software-defined nature of cloud (megatrend #5) or do they continue to fight it?
  • Which megatrend is manifesting the most strongly in your experience?
#162
March 4, 2024

EP162 IAM in the Cloud: What it Means to Do It 'Right' with Kat Traxler

Guest:

27:27

Topics covered:

  • What is your reaction to “in the cloud you are one IAM mistake away from a breach”? Do you like it or do you hate it?
  • A lot of people say “in the cloud, you must do IAM ‘right’”. What do you think that means? What is the first or the main idea that comes to your mind when you hear it?
  • How have you seen the CSPs take different approaches to IAM? What does it mean for the cloud users?
  • Why do people still screw up IAM in the cloud so badly after years of trying?
  • Deeper, why do people still screw up resource hierarchy and resource management? 
  • Are the identity sins of cloud IAM users truly the sins of the creators? How did the "big 3" get it wrong and how does that continue to manifest today?
  • Your best cloud IAM advice is “assign roles at the lowest resource-level possible”, please explain this one? Where is the magic?
#161
February 26, 2024

EP161 Cloud Compliance: A Lawyer - Turned Technologist! - Perspective on Navigating the Cloud

Guest:

27:27

Topics covered:

  • You work with technical folks at the intersection of compliance, security, and cloud. So what do you do, and where do you find the biggest challenges in communicating across those boundaries?
  • How does cloud make compliance easier? Does it ever make compliance harder?
  • What is your best advice to organizations that approach cloud compliance as they did for the 1990s data centers and classic IT?
  • What has been the most surprising compliance challenge you’ve helped teams debug in your time here?
  • You also work on standards development –can you tell us about how you got into that and what’s been surprising in that for you?
  • We often say on this show that an organization’s ability to threat model is only as good as their team’s perspectives are diverse: how has your background shaped your work here?
#160
February 19, 2024

EP160 Don't Cloud Your Judgement: Security and Cloud Migration, Again!

Guest:

Topics:

Cloud Migration
27:27

Topics covered:

  • How can organizations ensure that their security posture is maintained or improved during a cloud migration? Is cloud migration a risk reduction move?
  • What are some of the common security challenges that organizations face during a cloud migration?
  • Are there different gotchas between the three public clouds?
  • What advice would you give to those security leaders who insist on lift/shift or on lift/shift first?
  • How should security and compliance teams approach their engineering and DevOps colleagues to make sure things are starting on the right foot?
  • In your view, what is the essence of a cloud-native approach to security?
  • How can organizations ensure that their security posture scales as their cloud usage grows?