Cloud Security Podcast

Join your hosts, Anton Chuvakin and Timothy Peacock, as they talk with industry experts about some of the most interesting areas of cloud security. If you like having threat models questioned and a few bad puns, please tune in!

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Episode list

#59
April 4, 2022

EP59 Zero Trust: So Easy Even a Government Can Do It?

27:37

Topics covered:

  • What is your favorite definition of zero trust?
  • You had posted a blog analyzing the whitehouse ZT a memo on the federal government’s transition to “zero trust”,  what caught your eye about the Zero Trust memo and why did you decide to write about it?
  • What’s behind the federal government’s recommendations to deprecate VPNs and recommend users “authenticate to applications, not networks”?
  • What do these recommendations mean for cloud security, today and in the future?
  • What do you think would be the hardest things to implement in real US Federal IT environments?
  • Are there other recommendations in the memo to think about as organizations design zero trust strategies for their infrastructure? 
  • What are some of the challenges of implementing zero trust in general?
#58
March 28, 2022

EP58 SOC is Not Dead: How to Grow and Develop Your SOC for Cloud and Beyond

Guests:

  • Alexi Wiemer,  Senior Manager at Deloitte Cyber Detection and Response Practice
  • Dan Lauritzen,  Senior Manager at Deloitte Cloud Security Practice.

Topics:

SIEM and SOC
25:25

Topics covered:

  • What is your key learning about the state of SOC today? What one SOC trend are you hearing the most or most interested in? 
  • What is your best advice to SOCs that are permanently and woefully understaffed? 
  • Many SOC analysts are drowning in manual work, and it is easy to give advice that “they   need to automate.” What does this actually entail, in real life?
  • What is, in your view, the most critical technology for a modern SOC? Is it SIEM? Is it SOAR? Is it EDR? 
  • What is the best advice for a SOC that was handed cloud on a platter and was told to monitor it for threats?
  • Occasionally, we hear that “SOC is dead.” What is your response to such dire SOCless predictions? 
#57
March 21, 2022

EP57 Stop Zero Days, Save the World: Project Zero's Maddie Stone Speaks

Guest:

25:25

Topics covered:

  • How do we judge the real risk of being attacked using an exploit for a zero day vulnerability? Does the zero day risk vary by company, industry, etc? 
  • What does pricing for zero days tell us, if anything? Are prices more driven by supply or demand these days?
  • What security controls or defenses are useful against zero days including against chained zero days?
  • Where are the cloud zero days? We get lots of attention on iOS and Android, what about the cloud platforms? 
  • So, how do we solve the paradox of zero days, are they more scary than risky or more risky than scary? Or both?
#56
March 14, 2022

EP56 Rebuilding vs Forklifting and How to Secure a Data Warehouse in the Cloud

Guest:

  • Erlander Lo, Security and Compliance Specialist @ Google Cloud
25:25

Topics covered:

  • Imagine you are planning a data warehouse in the cloud, how do you think about security?
  • What are the expected threats to a large data store in the cloud?
  • How to create your security approach for a data warehouse project?
  • Are there regulations that force your decisions about security controls or  approaches, no matter what the threats are?
  • How do you approach data governance for this project?
  • What controls are there to implement in Google Cloud for a secure data warehouse effort?
#55
March 7, 2022

EP55 The Magic of Cloud Migration: Learn Security Lessons from the Field

Guests:

  • Brandie Anderson, Global Security Practice Lead @ Google Cloud
  • Renzo Cuadros,  Regional Security Practice Lead @ Google Cloud
27:23

Topics covered:

  • What are your Cloud migration security lessons? Greatest hits? Near misses?
  • What are the most common cloud security mistakes you see? Any practices or tricks to avoid or mitigate them?
  • How do you talk people out of security “lift and shift”?
  • Do clients understand how threat models change when they migrate to the cloud?
  • How clients typically handle compliance in the cloud? What regulations are the most challenging in the cloud?
  • What is the future for cloud migration security? 
  • Do we foresee a future when most data is created in the cloud and there is no need to migrate anything?
#54
February 28, 2022

EP54 Container Security: The Past or The Future?

Guest:

  • Anna Belak,  Director of Thought Leadership @ Sysdig
23:23

Topics covered:

  • One model for container security is “Infrastructure security  | build security | runtime security” -  which is most important to get right? Which is hardest to get right? 
  • How are you helping users get their infrastructure security right, and what do they get wrong most often here?
  • Your report states that “3⁄4 of running containers have at least one "high" or "critical" vulnerability“ and it  sounds like pre-cloud IT, but this is about containers?  This was very true  before cloud, why is this still true in cloud native?  Aren’t containers easy to “patch” and redeploy? 
  • You say  “Whether the container images originate from private or public registries, it is critical to scan them and identify known vulnerabilities prior to deploying into production.“ but then 75% have critical vulns? Is the problem that 75% of containers go unscanned, or that users just don’t fix things? 
  • “52% of all images are scanned in runtime, and 42% are initially scanned in the CI/CD pipeline.“ - isn’t pipeline and repo scanning easier and cheaper? Why isn’t this 90/10 but 40/50?
  • “62% detect shells in containers” sounds (to Anton) that “62% zoos have a dragon in them” i.e. kinda surreal. What’s the real story?
  • Containers are at the forefront of cloud native computing yet your report seems to show a lot of pre-cloud practices? Are containers just VMs and VMs just servers? 
#53
February 22, 2022

EP53 Seven Years of SOAR: What's Next?

Guest:

  • Amos Stern, CEO of Siemplify, now part of Google Cloud
23:23

Topics covered:

  • SOAR is in the news again,  so what can we say about the state of SOAR in 2022?
  • What have we learned trying to get SOAR adopted 2015-2022 (that’s 7 years of SOAR-ing for you)?
  • What are the top playbooks to start your SOC automation using SOAR? 
  • What about the links between SOAR as security automation and general IT automation? 
  • Does the level of consolidation in this market mean that SOAR really is a feature of SIEMs and not a product in its own right?
#52
February 14, 2022

EP52 Securing AI with DeepMind CISO

Guest:

27:27

Topics covered:

  • We spend a lot of time on Artificial Intelligence (AI) safety, but what about security?
  • What are some of the useful frameworks for thinking about AI security?
  • What is different about securing AI vs securing another data-intensive, complex, enterprise application?
  • What do we know about threat modeling for AI applications?
  • What attacks against AI systems do we expect to see first in real life?
  • What issues with AI security should we expect to face in 3-5 years?
#51
February 7, 2022

EP51 Policy Intelligence: More Fun and Useful than It Sounds!

Guest:

23:23

Topics covered:

  • What is Cloud Organization Policy, and how is it different from IaC and Policy as code (PaC)?
  • What does successful organization policy design look like from a business and human standpoint? From a technical standpoint?
  • Granular policy work is always hard. How is Google helping users get org policy right?  What are the uniquely Google strengths here? 
  • Is the AI involved real or is this marketing pixie dust AI?
  • How do users know if something should be a proactive control like a guardrail or if something should be a reactive control like a detection?
#50
January 31, 2022

EP50 The Epic Battle: Machine Learning vs Millions of Malicious Documents

Guest:

23:27

Topics covered:

  • This episode draws on a talk available in the podcast materials. Could you summarize the gist of your talk for the audience?
  • What makes the malicious document problem a good candidate for machine learning (ML)? Could you have used rules?
  • “Millions of documents in milliseconds,” not sure how to even parse it - what is involved in making it work?
  • Can you explain to the listeners the motivation for reanalyzing old samples, what ground truth means in ML/detection engineering, and how you are using this technique?
  • How fast do the attackers evolve and does this throw ML logic off?
  • Do our efforts at cat-and-mouse with attackers make the mice harder for other people to catch? Does massive-scale ML detections accelerate the attacker's evolution?