Cloud Security Podcast

Join your hosts, Anton Chuvakin and Timothy Peacock, as they talk with industry experts about some of the most interesting areas of cloud security. If you like having threat models questioned and a few bad puns, please tune in!

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Episode list

#49
January 24, 2022

EP49 Lifesaving Tradeoffs: CISO Considerations in Moving Healthcare to Cloud

Guest:

27:23

Topics covered:

  • What’s top of mind for healthcare organizations’ CISOs now?
  • What common advice do you find yourself giving most often to security leaders in healthcare? Is there a list of top 3 items or is this all “it depends”?
  • What regulations are shaping the healthcare industry and its adoption of new technology? HIPAA is from 1996, how does it work for the cloud in the 2020s?
  • Why do you think we aren’t seeing more cloud ransomware?
  • Healthcare orgs are sometimes seen as “IT laggards”, what are the key security lessons from their cloud migrations?
  • How do we convince some of these organizations that cloud is more secure as long as they use it securely?
#48
January 18, 2022

EP48 Confidentially Speaking 2: Cloudful of Secrets

Guest:

  • Nelly Porter, Group Product Manager @ Google Cloud
27:27

Topics covered:

  • In the past year, what has changed with Confidential Computing here at Google?
  • Could we please talk about a user or two who has really nailed it with our Confidential Computing? 
  • What have we learned about the threat models of clients who are choosing to deploy Confidential Computing? What are they solving for?
  • Doing Confidential Computing “right” feels like a lot more than having some fancy CPUs with magic math. What challenges do customers face adopting it? 
  • We finally “married” Confidential Computing with EKM. What types of clients are deploying this new technology? What threats are they mitigating?
  • What’s on the horizon for Confidential Computing? 
#47
January 11, 2022

EP47 Megatrends, Macro-changes, Microservices, Oh My! Changes in 2022 and Beyond in Cloud Security

Guest:

  • Phil Venables (@philvenables), Vice President, Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) @ Google Cloud
30:33

Topics covered:

  • Explain the whole cloud security megatrend concept to us?
  • How can we better explain that “yes, cloud is more secure than most client’s data centers”?
  • Could you please explain "shared fate" one more time?
  • Shared fate seems to require shared incentives. Do we see the incentives to invest in security changing within organizations migrating to Cloud?
  • "Cloud as the Digital Immune System" concept sounds really cool, what does it mean for a typical practitioner - security and developers both?
  • What about the risk aggregation (eggs in one basket) argument against relying on CSP for all security?
  • Does software sovereignty mean that Cloud providers are always going to be held to common standards and lose out on the opportunity to sell highly differentiated software on top?
#46
December 6, 2021

EP46 Products and Solutions: Helping Our Customers Precipitate Change

Guests:

  • Alison Reyes, Director, Security Solutions, Google Cloud
  • Iman Ghanizada, Solutions Manager for Security Operations & Analytics @ Google Cloud
23:23

Topics covered:

  • What is our thinking on solutions vs products for security? Sure, “security is a process, not a product,” but where do solutions fit in?
  • Security as an industry has too many vendors with little understanding of how users secure things, can solutions approach fix that?
  • Google is sometimes known for writing code and just throwing it out there, do solutions change that dynamic for Google Cloud clients who come to us for security?
  • Who are the target users for our security solutions? Why did we choose those solutions and not others?
  • To me, solutions is how our products actually live in the real world. But can we really hope to transform customer operations with solutions?
  • One of the solutions dear to my heart is Autonomic Security Operations that seeks to “10X the SOC”, how was the experience so far? Is 10X real and what does it mean?
  • How do we know if we succeeded, what are metrics for solutions?
  • How do solutions fit with Google Cybersecurity  Action Team launch? Do we need more action figures now?
#45
November 29, 2021

EP45 VirusTotal Insights on Ransomware Business and Technology

Guest:

23:23

Topics covered:

  • Why GandCrab / REvil was the most popular ransomware  family in 2020?
  • What is ransomware as a service?
  • Is every scary article about ransomware essentially marketing for the criminals?
  • Some ransomware payoffs are huge, how do you think they spend the money?
  • How else do they profit off stolen data apart from double extortion schemes? Are there triple extortion schemes?
  • What is the concept of a “trusted brand in ransomware”, is it better for clients because they will return the data?
  • Why did non-Windows ransomware fail as a business?
  • Do we expect 0day exploits  to become more popular in ransomware?
  • Based on this research, what is the key reason for ransomware’s wild success?
#44
November 22, 2021

EP44 Evolving a SIEM for the Future While Learning from the Past

Guest:

  • Mike Orosz, a Chief Information and Product Security Officer @ Vertiv
23:23

Topics covered:

  • What are your views on modern SIEM?  What should it do and what should it be?
  • Should it even be called SIEM? 
  • Is SaaS/cloud-native SIEM the only way to go?
  • Can anybody build a SIEM in the cloud by installing the regular SIEM on IaaS?
  • What are the top challenges for organizations deploying and operationalizing SIEM today?
  • What are some hidden or commonly forgotten costs for a SIEM deployment?
  • Is open source the answer to SIEM?
  • SIEM today should deliver on detection, hunting and investigation use cases, so what does it mean in terms of practical data retention?
#43
November 15, 2021

EP43 Automation as Paved Roads in Cloud Enablement

Guests:

  • Amber Shafi, Product Manager GSK
  • Svetlin Zamfirov, Senior Platform Engineer at GSK
  • Ivan Angelov, Principal Platform Engineer at GSK
25;23

Topics covered:

  • Tell us about your team, what are you responsible for and how is the team setup to make that happen? What components of cloud security do you cover?
  • Tell us about cloud misconfigurations and why these are different from on- premise misconfiguration?
  • How are you discovering these misconfigurations? 
  • You've automated responses to misconfiguration. Beyond the obvious upsides of reducing team toil and time to response, what are the other benefits? Are there risk in this approach and how are they handled?
  • How did this idea to automate come about, and what lessons did you learn along the way?
  • How have you integrated with the cloud provider security tooling?
#42
November 8, 2021

EP42 Missing Diversity Hurts Your Security

Guest:

23:23

Topics covered:

  • Why is there such a huge gap in security professionals who are women and people of color?
  • How does the lack of women and people of color in tech impact the industry, cybersecurity & tech overall? Are diverse teams better performing, better morale, happier people?
  • Are there kinds of threats that we miss in threat modeling exercises for lack of diverse team members?
  • We’ve seen countless examples where AI/ML systems have had problems with laundering biases and having frankly appalling issues due to biased training data. What are security implications here? 
  • Are there organizations helping to close the representation gap in the security workforce and the cloud workforce?
  • Why do the big tech companies and even the smaller ones have trouble identifying diverse talent? Why is this hard even for people and organizations who clearly want to improve it?
  • Why do companies have a hard time retaining diverse talent? 

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#41
November 1, 2021

EP41 Beyond Phishing: Email Security Isn't Solved

Guest:

23:23

Topics covered:

  • When we think about traditional email security, we think anti-spam/phishing. Your company is doing other things, so what are they? In other words, isn’t email security solved with legacy appliance vendors (SEG) and cloud email providers? 
  • What was the combination of technology and security opportunities that really resonated with you and your investors that led to your focus on email security?
  • Security has almost 2000 vendors and they are noisy, how do you get to clients without screaming too loud? How do you build a better security vendor?
  • Related to being better vendors, but more broadly, what can we do as an industry to make it easier to buy and get value out of our investments in new security tooling and technology? 
  • How can we build security tooling that requires less of our precious security team’s time?
#40
October 25, 2021

EP40 2021: Phishing is Solved?

Guests:

  • Elie Bursztein, security, anti-abuse and privacy researcher @ Google
  • Kurt Thomas, security, anti-abuse and privacy researcher @ Google
23:27

Topics covered:

  • Can we say that “Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA) - if done well - fixes phishing for good” or is this too much to promise?
  • What are the realistic and seen-in-the-wild bypasses for MFA as a protection?
  • How do you think these controls fare vs top tier attackers (clearly, they work vs commodity threats)?
  • What do we know about burden vs value of MFA today?
  • What can we realistically do to increase MFA/2FA adoption to the 90%s?
  • Can we share anything about what we’re seeing as industry benchmarks on MFA adoption so far? 
  • We’ve seen a lot of ugly debates over the value of SMS as MFA, what is your research-based take on this?